Cheaters NEVER Prosper
Andrew Baxter of MyLeadsMachine.com is the latest person added to the long list of cheaters and scammers. Apparently he created software that cheats safelist programs by automatically clicking the links. Now before you go running off to buy software like this, have a darn good long think about it. The people who think they’re really smart by automating a task where a person is supposed to actually view a page are cheating all the honest people AND eventually they will reap what they sow. What do I mean by that? Well, the more people that use these stupid automation programs, the less people are looking at the pages. Sooner or later you get a situation where it’s pretty much like an auto traffic exchange – useless for EVERYBODY!
Now here’s the really REALLY stupid part. The guy that created the software OWNS A SAFELIST. So not only is this scumbag ripping off thousands of honest online marketers, he’s also ripping off his own members! That’s about as low as you can go.
My advice? Avoid Andrew Baxter like the plague! Avoid MyLeadsMachine.com and any other program this scammer owns like the plague!
Sorry if my tone is a bit harsh, but this guy is trying to make money by screwing with legitimate programs.
You can read more about Andrew Baxter HERE.
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11 Responses to “Cheaters NEVER Prosper”
Sean Supplee on January 31, 2010
I heard some of this the other day but was not 100% up to date on it. Glad I ran into your blog to find out what was going on. I just recently got back into using safelist to promote my traffic exchange. Have then been able to enforce new measure in their scripts to make this automation not work anymore?
Alan Buck on February 6, 2010
Gary:
What a strange co-inky-dink that I should stumble across your post concerning Andrew Baxter, a prime example of a greedy & selfish, money worshiping piece of garbage.
It was just a few days ago when I had stumbled across one other similiar forum post from a different TE. It concerned a well kown internet-marketing Guru who has been trying to dictate TE industry policy by using his clout (earned through his successful career and financial status) and also through using personal threats against other TE owners who do not comply to his demands.
He owns several TE’s and other affiliate-marketing membership sites that offer promotional resources and software for marketers and webmasters. The other Forum/TE owner had posted some screen-shots on his TE website displaying the Guru’s written demands.
I must say they were quite shocking and I never considered such conflicts even went on behind the scenes. I really should have known better! The Guru was insisting that he would not do business with any auto-surf TE owner or user, nor would he do business with anyone who even did business with the TE auto-surf owners – even if they had already been doing business with each other for a long time!
The guru insisted that no auto-surf exchange should be allowed to survive, regardless whether the TE’s had both manual and auto-surf options or not. He was determined to squash them out of business and anyone who protected them.
I know many people don’t like auto-surf exchanges because they think it’s bad for the TE indsustry; however, forcing people to do business your way through discrimination and oppression is just plain wrong!
I didn’t use this interenet-marketer’s name or the TE or the TE owner’s name, because I’m not 100% positive that the conflict and/or evidence I saw was authentic. I have to believe it probably is and I don’t know what anybody could possibly gain by making all that up.
I had also noticed some snobbish and dictator-like behavior in that same IM Guru quite a while back before I ever heard about this, so I believe it is likely true!
One week before that, I also read about others cheating and scamming; although, they were just customers of some text-ad, TE’s and ad-exchanges, and not owners.
So apparently, the system is just too much on an honor-system and untamed. Abuses within the TE industry are running rampant! Do we need to form a Promotional Resources-Exchange Police to keep the membership sites clean?
buckboyy
Nina Nestoroff on March 6, 2010
Unfortunately, Gary, there will always be cheaters and scammers. I sometimes lie awake wondering how some of these folks sleep at night; it’s probably only me who’s not resting properly. People like that don’t really have a conscious so they don’t lose sleep. I guess the only thing we can do is just be vigilant, and try to stay one step ahead of the bad guys.
Nina Nestoroff
Alan Buck on March 17, 2010
Gary:
Have you and other TE owners gotten together recently for continued discussions on the cheating problems? I would think that the more knowledgeable heads from the concerned TE Owners that are assimilated for some strategic brain-storming sessions – for defending their interests and also all of their honest customers who are being cheated – the more likely they will make a very strong weapon!
Plus, asking for help from anyone else interested in being an active ally would also give a group extra ammunition. I guess the bottom line here is that we cannot let our guards down now – especially since the level of awareness has been raised!
Nina is right about there always being cheaters. However, there will always be watch-dogs too! I’m a believer in that most people are generally good.
So, it is my hope that the number of good will always out-weigh the number of bad. From this logic, the good will win this fight, but only if we remain dilligent in our actions and maintain a high-level of the fighting spirit.
buckboyy
Dorothy English on July 11, 2010
I have recently found an admin of another tae that was cheating.
I was once a member of his site too.
He took my info including my name and signed up at another exchange.He was already a member there.
I found out when I had trouble logging in and other problems.
I contacted the admin who had to hire a programmer to find out what was going on.
This guy is very well known. I let all my members know about him.
I also have had members who suddenly have 20-30 solos and banners in their accounts they never earned.They have all been deleted.
What’s perplexing is, I can’t figure out how they did it.
Gary Hoddinott on October 22, 2010
I am a mild believer in a mystical approach to life. I see a lot of sense in the idea that the Universe which supports out life system (God to some) has an ability to keep Itself in balance. A thought favoured by many of the mystical teachers is that you can never cheat the Universe no matter how hard you try.
I don’t get too worked up when a cheater is exposed; I just stop doing business there. I agree with the outlook of Alan Buck above. It’s more comforting to believe that the good honest citizens outnumber the cheaters by a comfortable margin.
Cheers all.
Andrew Baxter on February 11, 2011
Wow Gary you really are a dumb arse. Yes I did own a safelist and I excluded it from that software, so I wasn’t cheating my own members because you couldn’t use that site in conjuction with the software I had developed. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to figure this out on their own.
Of course I’ve since removed that software and stopped selling it as you are probably aware.
I’m happy to be called a cheat, but scammer, seriously, I never scammed anyone. Everyone that purchased my software got what they paid for and even then what they paid was a bargain for the traffic they got from the use of the software.
Gary on February 11, 2011
Scam
–verb: to cheat or defraud with a scam.
You scammed a lot of honest program owners with software that was driven by greed, with no regard for the negative impact that software would have on their services. I think the cheater/scammer label is appropriate.
Andrew Baxter on February 13, 2011
Gary, a definition of a word cannot contain the word itself. If a person doesn’t know what a word means how are they supposed to understand a definition that includes the word, duh.
The word scam means to make promises about something and then never deliver on those promises (money is usually involved). I never promosed safelist owners anything, nor was I a member of any of the safelist sites, so how did I scam them.
Based on your definition you’re a scammer. Safelists and traffic exchanges bs people into thinking they can actually make a living surfing others sites for hours on end when in reality the only people making any money are the owners.
Gary on February 13, 2011
Well…no. The people who used your software to cheat traffic exchanges and safelists obviously believed that they could make some sort of living surfing traffic exchanges, but most of us honest owners suggest that members use traffic exchanges for lead capture and branding rather than trying to sell products directly.
Brian Gwinn on March 7, 2011
Cheaters are a big problem in the TE industry, especially when money is involved. Can ussually catch them quickly by utillizing a random prize script and a verification script. They consist of surfbar links, a gif icon and a page in rotation. The way I have them set up, a bot has to click everything to get at cash.